tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post115951956086745731..comments2024-03-05T13:17:16.721+00:00Comments on member of the human race: white africanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12840217322302259870noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-58458605955020493532007-03-19T21:03:00.000+00:002007-03-19T21:03:00.000+00:00Today is 19 March 07, more than 6 months after thi...Today is 19 March 07, more than 6 months after this debate started<BR/><BR/>Thanks to Anglo for directing me to white A’s page, and to W af for starting it, and for providing the link<BR/><BR/>I read a number of comments, not all, because frankly the time for reading is over<BR/><BR/>Let me explain, please<BR/>Let’s call spade a spade, not carrots<BR/><BR/>It has nothing to do with religion<BR/>It has all to do with oppressing women, and making them feel dirty, unloved and inferior<BR/>Why? because men, all over the world, love to conquer and dominate come what may ( as you know women here, in the west, gained their right to vote, from men, only recently, about 100 years ago ) <BR/><BR/>Why can my sister go to university in Libya, and study with males in the same class, BUT can’t pray with me in a mosque in Europe?<BR/><BR/>If moslem women are serious that they want to do something about these issues, I assure you there are many guys who are more than willing to give time, support and effort to put an end to this and many other injustices.<BR/><BR/>Women? It is up to you<BR/>A lot of guys think “ if they are not speaking out, why should we? Why bother??”<BR/><BR/>To cut the story short, contact me any time you like if we really mean to do something positive, constructive and helpful to our community.<BR/><BR/>Again, the time now is for action. We need to make our voice heard. Loud and clear.<BR/><BR/>It has nothing to do with religion – absolutely NOTHING.<BR/><BR/>And it is UP to YOU ladies to start itAlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15007981404497635432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1160137344826276452006-10-06T13:22:00.000+01:002006-10-06T13:22:00.000+01:00lol nm, true, do you think it means wearing camfou...lol nm, true, do you think it means wearing camfoulaged hijabs, so that we blend in to the bricks of the mosque?white africanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12840217322302259870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1160135415586915252006-10-06T12:50:00.000+01:002006-10-06T12:50:00.000+01:00i back militant action all the way :) i wonder wha...i back militant action all the way :) i wonder what it would consist of anyway...NMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17777757801631435659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159996539107716352006-10-04T22:15:00.000+01:002006-10-04T22:15:00.000+01:00sallam br deeh nooh and welcome.to be honest i don...sallam br deeh nooh and welcome.<BR/><BR/>to be honest i dont know whwre you got the idea that we wgere going to take militant action, if anything we want peacful means, we started of by trying to speak to the mosque commitee but they dont speak to females, so our next step is sending a letter to the commitee through a 'respected elder of the community.<BR/><BR/>we are not here to cause uneccassary arguments, we are just requesting our god given right, the mosque we mentioned is purpose built and has plenty of praying space for sisters during teh tarawih (this we made sure of). you are right majority of mosques cater for sisters but not all and we cant generalise, the reason we want to pray in this particular mosque is because its smack in the middle of our area it means we can have access to pray within seconds rather than trecking it on the bus.<BR/><BR/>its an important issue and we can not say 'for the sake of not arguments' let by gones be by gones' <BR/><BR/>jazak allah khairnwhite africanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12840217322302259870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159993984966278722006-10-04T21:33:00.000+01:002006-10-04T21:33:00.000+01:00Salaam light skinned Africanis clear the issue is ...Salaam light skinned African<BR/><BR/>is clear the issue is close to your heart and rest be assured most Muslims are with you on this one.<BR/><BR/>But i think u guys are making a meal of what is a local issue and hence creating an uncessarry arguments between muslims.<BR/><BR/>Majority of mosques i know cater for sisters and to date i have not come a a mosque that refuses to have a sisters' section outright unless it is practically impossible due lack of space etc.<BR/><BR/>I don't know the facts of this mosque .. but if you sisters' beelive they can reasonably have sisters' area then i suggest u approach the matter formally and locally .. that is speak to the masjid management and if u still not satisfied then peharps the local elders or islamic orginisation to reason with them.<BR/><BR/>but whatever u do refrain from militant actions as it will only damage the local Muslim unity.<BR/><BR/>slaamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159950807803065702006-10-04T09:33:00.000+01:002006-10-04T09:33:00.000+01:00yipee fudge, will most def whant your help inshlla...yipee fudge, will most def whant your help inshllah, we are going to type up a letter to the mosque as a first step inshallah in the near future.white africanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12840217322302259870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159919226408763532006-10-04T00:47:00.000+01:002006-10-04T00:47:00.000+01:00Salaam, sunshine.Go get em...this was a good issue...Salaam, sunshine.<BR/><BR/>Go get em...this was a good issue to talk about but I'm surprised at the response!<BR/><BR/>If you need any help with lobbying the mosque and whatnot, pleased to help inshAllah. This is something the whole community should be involved in. Especially since the wudhu facilities are reported to be good!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159911126197016012006-10-03T22:32:00.000+01:002006-10-03T22:32:00.000+01:00thank you flower of chaos, your definition of what...thank you flower of chaos, your definition of what a masjid is, is exactly what we tried to say on the radio.<BR/><BR/>its unfortuant that we still have this mentality but inshallah with disucssions like the one on the radio we will bring awarness and hopefully bring about change, you mentioned writing, thats a powerful tool, continue your good work flower, with perseverance inshallah we will be victorious.white africanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12840217322302259870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159884586908208712006-10-03T15:09:00.000+01:002006-10-03T15:09:00.000+01:00White African, I think you're brave to go on a rad...<B>White African</B>, I think you're brave to go on a radio and talk about something important to you as a muslim woman. I usually just stick to writing on the internet as I've never enjoyed people casting aspersions on my faith because they failed to understand it from my perspective.<BR/><BR/>That said, the issue of woman in the masjids is not new. It will be a topic flogged to infinity with those hell-bent on keeping women well under wraps in their homes. A masjid is not just a place of worship, its the Muslim community's center for learning, interacting with other Muslims and discussing issues concerning the community. I never understand why some people insist on limiting its benefits or keeping people from going there.Flower.of.Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885054638558826116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159884186953094942006-10-03T15:03:00.000+01:002006-10-03T15:03:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Flower.of.Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885054638558826116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159827559417815682006-10-02T23:19:00.000+01:002006-10-02T23:19:00.000+01:00thank you so much ghazi, its nice to know that the...thank you so much ghazi, its nice to know that there are plenty of people who oppose this ban on woman.white africanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12840217322302259870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159802452046472792006-10-02T16:20:00.000+01:002006-10-02T16:20:00.000+01:00a very important issue white african, I praise you...a very important issue white african, I praise your efforts, you have my full support.. Ghaziغازي القبلاوي Ghazi Gheblawihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17922591451395971636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159775987233421492006-10-02T08:59:00.000+01:002006-10-02T08:59:00.000+01:00exactly native, thank you for that and thanks for ...exactly native, thank you for that and thanks for you dua.<BR/><BR/>we are going to be tackling woman and education on sat so that should be interesting.<BR/><BR/>girl r u free at all on thursdays, fridays, sat or sundays to come on the show, we are feeling faiza deprived this year..white africanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12840217322302259870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159736802703029612006-10-01T22:06:00.000+01:002006-10-01T22:06:00.000+01:00^lool talk of the community eh?A lot of people mak...^lool talk of the community eh?<BR/><BR/>A lot of people make the mistake of mixing culture with religion which is where this huge misunderstanding comes from. Islam is perfect and if we were to follow its teachings there wouldn't be a need for this argument. These people would realise that women have a God given right to pray in the mosque...and the hadith they are quoting is just so that things are made easier for us because the Prophet (SAW) and Allah (SWT) both understand that a woman may not always be able to go to the mosque.<BR/><BR/>Anyway...I'll just make dua and hope for the best.NATIVEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10805309807700530665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159719393742244302006-10-01T17:16:00.000+01:002006-10-01T17:16:00.000+01:00yep nm, i was the same, its really sad, apparently...yep nm, i was the same, its really sad, apparently we where the talk of the community, well eye brows where raised that day lolwhite africanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12840217322302259870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159717193722823052006-10-01T16:39:00.000+01:002006-10-01T16:39:00.000+01:00walahi i can't remember the last time i was so ang...walahi i can't remember the last time i was so angry!! i couldn't get to sleep afterwards because i was so upset and angry and then when i finally went to sleep i woke up still preplexed! For the love of God i just don't understandNMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17777757801631435659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159660102226981142006-10-01T00:48:00.000+01:002006-10-01T00:48:00.000+01:00lol kitty you sound just like how we felt after th...lol kitty you sound just like how we felt after the radio showwhite africanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12840217322302259870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159658218989096332006-10-01T00:16:00.000+01:002006-10-01T00:16:00.000+01:00sisters only mosques???!!! Is he off his rocker?! ...sisters only mosques???!!! Is he off his rocker?! What r these people on? And wat Isam are they following? What is wrong with them!<BR/><BR/>I cannot believe there are people out there that are so incredibly ignorant and small-minded.<BR/><BR/>UGH! There is so much more I wanna spew at this "guy" but whats the point? U, I know, agree with me already and he cant hear!<BR/>Ugh!lostkittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15992580927685753189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159629938502084122006-09-30T16:25:00.000+01:002006-09-30T16:25:00.000+01:00exactly kitty, whats really frustrating was the fa...exactly kitty, whats really frustrating was the fact that 2 muslim woman where of the same opinion as the men.<BR/><BR/>one of the men said that if we where so desperate to pray in a mosque then we should getting planning permision and build or own mosques for sisters only, ugh we are dealing with children...white africanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12840217322302259870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159625579188974612006-09-30T15:12:00.000+01:002006-09-30T15:12:00.000+01:00It was so frustrating to read this - another examp...It was so frustrating to read this - another example of Muslims not knowing their own religon and heritage. Sad too.<BR/>Do these "men" think they know better than the Prophet (SAW)? Do they think they are better than the Prophet (SAW)? Do they think they are more knowledgable?Or more understanding of what Allah wants than the Prophet (SAW)???<BR/>THEN how can they say something is haram which the Allah and His Prophet have not made haram? Praying or even just sitting in the mosque is our God-given right! Who are they to take it away?<BR/>If I was them, not only would I be ashamed of trying to exclude Muslim women from entering the mosque, I would get down and ask for Allah's forgiveness for having the audacity of inventing a law, a bidd'a in effect. Then I would make a sisters section to my mosque that is BIGGER than the brothers section as there are Muslim women than men, and because Muslim women are always with kids (or do the men have no responsibility for the tarbiyyah of their kids? Tarbiyyah such as can be gained from going to a mosque?).<BR/>How dare they even think they can do this???<BR/>That hadith saying it is more rewarding for a woman to pray at home, is an opportunity for women to gain as many rewards as men (who have more rewards by prayer in the mosque) - it is a blessing given to us women to make us on more of an equal standing with the men when it came to rewards; thats all. Because Allah and His Rasool (SAW) know that it is not always possible for women to go trekking to the mosque!<BR/>These men are not only warped, but narrowminded and uneducated.<BR/>They remind me of why the Muslim Ummah is in the state that it is - ignorance. Sheer ignorance.<BR/>Men!lostkittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15992580927685753189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159620740387992192006-09-30T13:52:00.000+01:002006-09-30T13:52:00.000+01:00thank you anglo and eco for you support, it really...thank you anglo and eco for you support, it really is distressing and every time i think about it i get even more perplexed as to why they would prevent us.<BR/><BR/>eco we had a caller who said the same thing, she knows that she will pray her tarawih if she goes to the mosque where as if she stays at home probability is she wont pray it.<BR/><BR/>no one can say that it is haram for muslim woman to pray in the mosque, if the prophet allowe dit then no one should stop it. anglo unfortunatly people mix culture with the din, this is th ementality of many of the mulsimswhite africanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12840217322302259870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159573118106343442006-09-30T00:38:00.000+01:002006-09-30T00:38:00.000+01:00Assalaamu alaikum, sorry to hear about your experi...Assalaamu alaikum, sorry to hear about your experiences. I hope your petition of your local mosque goes well inshAllah. <BR/><BR/>I know for me im much more lazy with tarawih which is why i like the mosque, it raises my iman. I wonder what shaikhs say in regard to this issue. <BR/><BR/>May Allah grant you sabr with difficult callers and hikmah to deal with them and 'ilm so that your message is pure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25290380.post-1159566759709890432006-09-29T22:52:00.000+01:002006-09-29T22:52:00.000+01:00that is the most rediculous thing i have ever hear...that is the most rediculous thing i have ever heard! how can they ban women from praying in the mosque and then pretend that this is Islam?<BR/>I am so sick of some of our muslim people who interpret Islam in the way that suits them. Islam gave equality to all and that is one of the reasons we are so proud of our religeon plus we live in a society that gave us freedom and equality. <BR/>I am sure many people will stand by you and I hope you will InshAllah succeed and take your place with the other sisters in the Mosque.Anglo-Libyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943608256256726160noreply@blogger.com